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michelle, who i believe you worked with at the pentagon, tell me why i have it wrong or at least why you worry that hagel wouldn't be the right pick for this position. >> i don't know i would say ezra that hagel is the wrong pick, i just don't think he is the best pick. i think there are others around there who would have many of the upsides that hagel has, without the down sides that hagel has. if mitt romney had won and chosen him, i would have applauded him as real courage. chuck hagel has a lot going for him. he is a brave guy, a principled guy. there is a lot to like about him. he is also a republican, and the democratic party has worked really, really hard over past decades to erase the deficit, in which voters consistently said they trusted republicans more than democrats on national security. democrats have worked really hard to erase that gap, but picking chuck hagel seems to me to be sending a message i can't figure out president obama wants to send, i can't figure out why. and even a democratic president can't be sure that a democrat is going to do a good job leading our e
michelle, who i believe you worked with at the pentagon, tell me why i have it wrong or at least why you worry that hagel wouldn't be the right pick for this position. >> i don't know i would say ezra that hagel is the wrong pick, i just don't think he is the best pick. i think there are others around there who would have many of the upsides that hagel has, without the down sides that hagel has. if mitt romney had won and chosen him, i would have applauded him as real courage. chuck hagel...
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what is striking to me as well, hagel doesn't have experience in what he's tasked to do, running the pentagon. president obama involves we're not getting involved in syria or push too hard, his main job is to run pentagon. >> he was enlisted in vietnam, and distinguished service, two purple hearts and knows what it's like to be an enlisted man and fighting on the ground and have those people foremost in his mind. >> no one questions his courage or his record, but running the department of several million people and 550 billion dollar budgets, and he has never served armed servi services in the nate and never run anything as big as the pentagon and he's presumably someone the white house thinks is going to do what the white house wants him to do and leon panetta and bob gates before were willing to push back anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. live the regular life. phillips'. by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...b
what is striking to me as well, hagel doesn't have experience in what he's tasked to do, running the pentagon. president obama involves we're not getting involved in syria or push too hard, his main job is to run pentagon. >> he was enlisted in vietnam, and distinguished service, two purple hearts and knows what it's like to be an enlisted man and fighting on the ground and have those people foremost in his mind. >> no one questions his courage or his record, but running the...
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the pentagon does the overuse of drones. so, we can use them, say, in afghanistan. where there is a declared military action. but in pakistan or any place where it's used in a covert way, that's the cia. and most of those decisions are made in mr. brennan's basement office, under the oval office in the west wing and he's the one who's got to put together what has become known popularly as the list and i'll work with president obama and others on how they want to narrow those. a lot of debate. if you kill a terrorist and then he's replaced by his driver and the next drone goes in after him, is that a legitimate target? >> well, i think the other question that jane harman brought up earlier, should any of this stuff be done under the cia or done at the pong where, frankly, more accountable perhaps in place? >> well, chuck, the drone war is the least covert covert operation the u.s. has ever run. every drone strike done by the cia or just about everyone is reported in the newspapers or some journal -- >> can't hide them. they're not small things. >> the most covert one
the pentagon does the overuse of drones. so, we can use them, say, in afghanistan. where there is a declared military action. but in pakistan or any place where it's used in a covert way, that's the cia. and most of those decisions are made in mr. brennan's basement office, under the oval office in the west wing and he's the one who's got to put together what has become known popularly as the list and i'll work with president obama and others on how they want to narrow those. a lot of debate....
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the fight and for and against hagel at the pentagon. start with an afghan war veteran, anthony schafer, friend of the program. and now with the cent ef of advance defense studies and john saltz, chairman of votevets.org. tony, do you like the pick? is this good for america? >> yes, it is. i think the fact may be as you said man with no party he speaks the truth and most important to
the fight and for and against hagel at the pentagon. start with an afghan war veteran, anthony schafer, friend of the program. and now with the cent ef of advance defense studies and john saltz, chairman of votevets.org. tony, do you like the pick? is this good for america? >> yes, it is. i think the fact may be as you said man with no party he speaks the truth and most important to
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that's it for the pentagon. yes, there is a great desire with john brennan to demilitaryize the cia. >> now, speaking of afghanistan in town today. hamid karzai at the pentagon today and on the hill and later will be at the state department for dinner with hillary clinton. he was with leon panetta today. this comes shortly after he sat down with our own atia and just ehave is rated u.s. policy. >> he has a problem with this new team, though. you remember a couple of years ago three senators went and met with him, and there was -- for dinner. karzai in kabul. there was -- they raised the issue of corruption in his government, and it became a big incident. joe biden, hagel, and john kerry? zeefs later sent as a private envoy to smooth things over with karzai. >> true, but this is -- karzai must look at the leadership of the second obama administration and see a message coming for him then. what the troop levels will be after 2014 and will there even be u.s. troops there? >> ruth marcus, the white house is telling
that's it for the pentagon. yes, there is a great desire with john brennan to demilitaryize the cia. >> now, speaking of afghanistan in town today. hamid karzai at the pentagon today and on the hill and later will be at the state department for dinner with hillary clinton. he was with leon panetta today. this comes shortly after he sat down with our own atia and just ehave is rated u.s. policy. >> he has a problem with this new team, though. you remember a couple of years ago three...
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he said the pentagon needs to be pared down. senator hagel also endorsed a report by the group global zero that called for cutting the u.s. weapons arsenal by 80%. the overall goal of global zero, as its name implies, global zero, is global zero nuclear weapons. but this 80% cut in our arsenal is a way to get there is something that chuck hagel has supported. what is the new face of the american military going to be after the end of the longest war in american history, which is afghanistan? the second longest war in american history is vietnam. to have three vietnam veterans in the cabinet running veterans, running state, running defense is a remarkable milestone for veterans of that war, just as a population group, and one that didn't necessarily get treated right by this country when their time at war ended. but for all of us, for all of us, no matter how old we are, for all of us, whether or not we had any connection to the vietnam politics the first time around, for all of us there is the question now of whether the presiden
he said the pentagon needs to be pared down. senator hagel also endorsed a report by the group global zero that called for cutting the u.s. weapons arsenal by 80%. the overall goal of global zero, as its name implies, global zero, is global zero nuclear weapons. but this 80% cut in our arsenal is a way to get there is something that chuck hagel has supported. what is the new face of the american military going to be after the end of the longest war in american history, which is afghanistan? the...
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what's going on with the pentagon about how many troops they want to leave and people are pushing for proposals. the question is what's the mission after 2014. if it's a counter terror mission, the vice president wanted where chuck hagel is going. what's happening in the next 24 months? we have a lot of officers embedded with afghan units to protect a security blanket. at what point do we transition off and go to an assist and what is our relationship post 2014? we can leave contractors on the ground, but iraq didn't deteriorate like people said. there have been no attacks since they left. i'm happy with where we are at. i hope we go to and put the pressure on the afghans. there is a type of stalemate. >> there is the hope, but what is the reality pointing to the continued effort or whatever role we would have as you pointed out s. how realistic is that in afghanistan? >> i don't think we go to zero because there will be a counter trr mission. there is a mission in the afghan and pakistan region. is it a suffice counter terror force with a force package? that takes us out of the natio
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and there's an expression at the pentagon called hair on fire. when people get all excited over essentially little or nothing, and when the dust settles, you're able to deal with the facts. i think people should be very proud of this nomination of senator hagel. he brings to this not only experience as a veteran, as someone who served in uniform, but as somebody who understands the reality of the world. with regard to his position on iran and on sanctions, he's made clear that he supports this president and he supports the toughest multilateral sanctions that have ever been imposed on this country -- on that country. >> should we not care if his personal views run contrary? especially when it comes to, benjamin netanyahu says there's a six-month time period, some say it could be longer. there has to be a decision made on iran. it doesn't matter what he personally would do as long as he does what the president has already said he would do which is military options on the table? >> we ought to respect the fact that the president has chosen him as a
and there's an expression at the pentagon called hair on fire. when people get all excited over essentially little or nothing, and when the dust settles, you're able to deal with the facts. i think people should be very proud of this nomination of senator hagel. he brings to this not only experience as a veteran, as someone who served in uniform, but as somebody who understands the reality of the world. with regard to his position on iran and on sanctions, he's made clear that he supports this...
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there's a tremendous amount of bloat in the pentagon and that has to be scaled back." hagel would also be tasked with managing the withdrawal of 66,000 u.s. troops from afghanistan by 2014. it is a position on which hagel has disagreed with the president, having opposed obama's troop surge in his first term, but it is on the issue of the iraq invasion that hagel has dramatically severed ties with his own party. a defection likely to cause some problems on the right along with earlier statements on the "jewish lobby." regardless of all of this, the white house thinks hagel's nomination will pass. talking points circulated by the administration earlier this morning highlight hagel's combat service, his bipartisan appeal
there's a tremendous amount of bloat in the pentagon and that has to be scaled back." hagel would also be tasked with managing the withdrawal of 66,000 u.s. troops from afghanistan by 2014. it is a position on which hagel has disagreed with the president, having opposed obama's troop surge in his first term, but it is on the issue of the iraq invasion that hagel has dramatically severed ties with his own party. a defection likely to cause some problems on the right along with earlier...
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the same report, the pentagon's own report shows after the u.s. troop surge in afghanistan, violence in that country was actually higher than it was before the surge, not lower than it was before the surge. so in what case was the surge a success? so it is a bit rich that the reason we can afford to speed up the ending of this war is because things have worked out so well in this war. it's a bit rich. but you know what? the supposed reason we could leave iraq is because of the stable democratic iraqi government we left behind, right? success of the surge and all that. well, the day after we left iraq, the prime minister of iraq issue and arrest warrant for the vice president of iraq, the very next day after we left. so that little story we told ourselves on the way out of that war, that was pretty rich too. but knowing that, do you wish we were still in iraq? do you wish we hadn't left? more importantly, even we do not hit any of the supposed benchmarks that we tell ourselves irrelevant for why and when we can leave, peace in the provinces, or the
the same report, the pentagon's own report shows after the u.s. troop surge in afghanistan, violence in that country was actually higher than it was before the surge, not lower than it was before the surge. so in what case was the surge a success? so it is a bit rich that the reason we can afford to speed up the ending of this war is because things have worked out so well in this war. it's a bit rich. but you know what? the supposed reason we could leave iraq is because of the stable democratic...
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yesterday visited the pentagon and thursday making calls to old senate colleagues. one problem with that. of the senators who will sit in judgment of hagel's confirmation, 42 of them never worked with him. with me now, moderator of "meet the press," david gregory, had an exclusive interview with colin powell there to make the case for chuck hagel. one thing about taking the step back if you will about this week and what we're seeing with the president in this cabinet. there is no equivocation when it comes to placating the washington establishment. he is doing what he wants, regardless -- there is no gates, no hillary. everything else the first four years was about keeping washington in check. not this time. >> presidents have a way of getting re-elected and deciding how about i do what i want to do. how about i choose who i'm comfortable with. and they have extra confidence that they can do that. and they should be able to do it. and -- >> there is sort of -- you know, it's -- by the way, it's also why they've had this diversity issue a little bit, not thinking abo
yesterday visited the pentagon and thursday making calls to old senate colleagues. one problem with that. of the senators who will sit in judgment of hagel's confirmation, 42 of them never worked with him. with me now, moderator of "meet the press," david gregory, had an exclusive interview with colin powell there to make the case for chuck hagel. one thing about taking the step back if you will about this week and what we're seeing with the president in this cabinet. there is no...
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and, you know, this is not -- this is a pentagon political issue inside the corridors of the pentagon. it requires managed expertise. does the secretary of defense really understand where the various political levers are in the pentagon that he needs to work on? where the influence is? how a budget is formed? who has the power? inside the military, in this very complex process and can he impact it? when you hire a secretary of defense, to some large extent you are hiring someone for that management expertise. the pentagon is one of the largest organizations in the world, and you need somebody who knows how to run it. that's what a secretary of defense does. the other big issue that he's walking into that people will be watching very closely, how he will advise on committing the use of military force. you know, we're talking about all these big grandiose issues. what if the first day on the job the syrian regime implodes and you have a crisis where chemical weapons might theoretically be on the loose, heaven forbid? what is chuck hagel's advice, how does he advise president obama, how
and, you know, this is not -- this is a pentagon political issue inside the corridors of the pentagon. it requires managed expertise. does the secretary of defense really understand where the various political levers are in the pentagon that he needs to work on? where the influence is? how a budget is formed? who has the power? inside the military, in this very complex process and can he impact it? when you hire a secretary of defense, to some large extent you are hiring someone for that...
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i don't know what his management experience is regarding the pentagon, little if any. so i think it's an incredibly controversial choice. and it looks like the second term of barack obama is going to be an in-your-face term. >> well, senator hagel is a straight talker from the midwest. he'll give you an unvarnished opinion, and very outspoken. but he has stated his unequivocal total support for israel, saying critics have completely distorted his record. graham predicted other republicans would have a hard time with hagel's nomination. and it just makes you wonder what is really behind all this. senator graham complained that hagel had cut ties with the republican party. but obviously president obama isn't under any requirement to nominate anybody from any party, especially the republicans in the first place. maybe republicans don't like the fact that hagel won't be so eager to get us into another confrontation overseas. here is more from the president. >> he understands that sending young americans to fight and bleed in the dirt and mud, that's something we only do wh
i don't know what his management experience is regarding the pentagon, little if any. so i think it's an incredibly controversial choice. and it looks like the second term of barack obama is going to be an in-your-face term. >> well, senator hagel is a straight talker from the midwest. he'll give you an unvarnished opinion, and very outspoken. but he has stated his unequivocal total support for israel, saying critics have completely distorted his record. graham predicted other republicans...
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hate the people trying to stop the president from picking this guy for the job he needs done at the pentagon, but i do recognize their tactics. they're the same ones they used to push the war in iraq. they say they don't like something he said hagel did 14 years ago about a gay man being put up for ambassador. i don't like it either, but, a, it was 14 years ago, and, b, i don't think it's got anything to do with why the hawks are opposing him. since when is the right wing of this country is caring for gay rights? as bill clinton would say, give me a break. and this isn't about israel's security any more than it's about ours. the right wants a hawk at defense for all occasions. someone with an itchy trigger fing mother has always got a country lind up to go to war with, iraq, afghanistan, iraq again, libya, syria, iran. sorry, the guy you lined up to be president would have picked a person you'd want as defense chief, a real genuine hawk, but mitt romney lost, didn't he? he lost. so keep firing off those anti-hagel columns and editorials, my right wing brothers, and don't worry, you won't get
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. >> coming up, california congressman before questioning the top job at the pentagon being derail the president's second-term agenda. as we begin this hour we'll take you straight to the white house where after a week of meetings with gun control advocates, representatives of the gaming industry and other groups, vice president biden will submit his recommendations to the president as early as tuesday for ways to prevent gun violence moving forward. kristen welker joins us with more on that. let's start out with what we can expect to come, again, this tuesday deadline is pretty self-imposed by the gun task force and the president himself, and all of them trying to make the president's state of the union when it comes up at the end of the month. >> reporter: that's right. we're expecting the vice president to put forth a broad set of proposals including legislative proposals that will call for reinstating the ban on assault weapons, limiting access to high-capacity magazines. one of the ideas that's moving to the forefront, though, thomas is the idea of having universal background chec
. >> coming up, california congressman before questioning the top job at the pentagon being derail the president's second-term agenda. as we begin this hour we'll take you straight to the white house where after a week of meetings with gun control advocates, representatives of the gaming industry and other groups, vice president biden will submit his recommendations to the president as early as tuesday for ways to prevent gun violence moving forward. kristen welker joins us with more on...
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you put a republican at the pentagon in a time you're trying to slink thrink the pentagon. the president thinks that will help. and the president's not afraid to pick a fight with some republicans. i think if you look at both of them and add in senator kerry, the new secretary of state, it's a comfort leave. you're not worried about satisfying every political interest group. you want people you like and you trust. >> you heard ari fleisher, our cnn contributor, the former bush white house press secretary say for all practical purposes, and i'm paraphrasing him now, hagel really isn't a republican anymore. >> well, this is a great divide and a great debate in the republican party. would he say the same about dick lugar, a respected republican voice? would he say the same about colin powell who served reagan and george h.w. bush and then george w. bush in republican white houses? thought himself about running for the republican nomination for president one day. who have views like chuck hagel. in the last 10 year, there's been as if na fascinating divid. chuck hagel would fit
you put a republican at the pentagon in a time you're trying to slink thrink the pentagon. the president thinks that will help. and the president's not afraid to pick a fight with some republicans. i think if you look at both of them and add in senator kerry, the new secretary of state, it's a comfort leave. you're not worried about satisfying every political interest group. you want people you like and you trust. >> you heard ari fleisher, our cnn contributor, the former bush white house...
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. >> if hagel gets confirmed, do you think you could help him go the job of reforming at the pentagon and saving some money? >> yes, i think -- well, in the first few months i won't be there long enough even if i get it. but the job there is to run interference for him. >> by the way, some basic politics you understand, chris, cutting existing weapons systems with all the web of contracts out there can be hard, but what you can do is not start new once. it's easier to block projects that shouldn't be done going forward than to start them and i certainly will be there if i hope he's going to continue to support the notion of an early withdrawal from afghanistan. not keep 20,000 troops there forever at a cost of billions and finally i think it's time to re-examine a nuclear deterrent which we still maintain basically at the strength we needed to defeat a fully nuclear armed soviet union and the troops in europe. i misspoke when i said pull the troops out of nato. i want us to stay in tay toe but let the western european nations keep the troops in western europe. let's have a genuine coo
. >> if hagel gets confirmed, do you think you could help him go the job of reforming at the pentagon and saving some money? >> yes, i think -- well, in the first few months i won't be there long enough even if i get it. but the job there is to run interference for him. >> by the way, some basic politics you understand, chris, cutting existing weapons systems with all the web of contracts out there can be hard, but what you can do is not start new once. it's easier to block...
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chris lawrence is our pentagon correspondent. chris, hamid karzai did get something very significant from the president of the united states as far as what he sees as his sovereign right. >> that's right. it is getting the prisons that the u.s. military operates turned back over to the afghans and getting the afghan prisoners turned back other to -- >> prisoners being held by the united states in afghanistan or the other nato allies, they will be handed over to the afghans. >> right. as we reported last night, on "the situation room" and earlier today, our sources were telling us, that was what was very important to karzai in terms of sovereignty. he wasn't as caught up on giving sort of the legal protection to u.s. troops. of course we heard him signal to president obama basically he's on board with that, he would get the okay from the afghan people, but in all respects, i think, gloria, you would say he pretty much gave the okay. >> he did. he made it very clear. he said if those issues are resolved, i can go to the afghan peop
chris lawrence is our pentagon correspondent. chris, hamid karzai did get something very significant from the president of the united states as far as what he sees as his sovereign right. >> that's right. it is getting the prisons that the u.s. military operates turned back over to the afghans and getting the afghan prisoners turned back other to -- >> prisoners being held by the united states in afghanistan or the other nato allies, they will be handed over to the afghans. >>...
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he would be succeeding leon panetta at the pentagon. again, nbc news confirming that chuck hagel will in fact get that nomination tomorrow from the president at white house. law enforcement on both sides of the aisle meanwhile have been saying that chuck hagel simply the wrong choice. >> frankly, chuck hagel is out of the mainstream of thinking i believe on most issues regarding foreign policy. i expect the president to nominate people than i would think. i'm going to vote for senator kerry. i don't agree with him a lot, but i think he's very much in the mainstream of thought. chuck hagel, if confirmed to be secretary of defense, would be the most antagonistic secretary of defense towards state of israel in our nation's history. >> with me now new york democratic congressman elliot engel, ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee as well. congressman, i'm guessing you don't probably agree with lindsey graham a whole lot, but you have also expressed some similar concerns about chuck hagel. what are they? >> let me say this. i
he would be succeeding leon panetta at the pentagon. again, nbc news confirming that chuck hagel will in fact get that nomination tomorrow from the president at white house. law enforcement on both sides of the aisle meanwhile have been saying that chuck hagel simply the wrong choice. >> frankly, chuck hagel is out of the mainstream of thinking i believe on most issues regarding foreign policy. i expect the president to nominate people than i would think. i'm going to vote for senator...
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let's not target only the pentagon and hospitals and doctors, which is what the sequester targets, but let's make smarter spending cuts to affect everybody from all walks of life, including corporate world and therefore we can do something to give our children a better future with less debt on their shoulders. that's the smarter card for the republicans to play. >> let me switch to you, james, on the chuck hagel nomination to be the next defense secretary. there's been some quiet murmuring, some complaining among democrats, not unusual, i should say. you've heard it as well. why can't a democratic president ask a democrat to be defense secretary? they go back to the clinton administration when president clinton invited william cohen, a republican to be defense secretary. then the obama administration, president obama asked robert gates, a republican to be defense secretary. then there was leon panetta. and now another republican, chuck hagel. what's wrong with democrats being defense secretary? >> right. actually, just as an historical footnote, roberts used to be a republican. you kno
let's not target only the pentagon and hospitals and doctors, which is what the sequester targets, but let's make smarter spending cuts to affect everybody from all walks of life, including corporate world and therefore we can do something to give our children a better future with less debt on their shoulders. that's the smarter card for the republicans to play. >> let me switch to you, james, on the chuck hagel nomination to be the next defense secretary. there's been some quiet...